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    A Little Experiment

    I have a pair of Altec A7-500 WII 16 ohm speakers.
    I was just given a Bryston 10B-Sub Active Crossover, which does 2 way stereo,
    40 Hz to 500 Hz selectable crossover.
    I am thinking of bypassing the internal N-501 crossover, and bi-amping using the Bryston.
    The wiring diagram shows the HF driver is wired out of phase in relation to
    the LF driver.
    Should I wire the HF driver out of phase in relation to the LF driver if I bi-amp?

    Thanks, Rob

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    Re: A Little Experiment

    More complicated question than one might think.

    Yes is the normal answer.

    Pink noise and an RTA program are not hard to come by...I often test for flattest response, also listen for what sounds best...

    Guess what I am saying, yes is the textbook answer. The reason...if positive is defined as a positive voltage to that terminal causes movement AWAY from the magnet...think...the diaphragm is behind the magnet, whereas the woofer cone is in front...

    So the diaphragm moves rearward and the cone forward, thus are RELATIVELY out of phase. Reversing the polarity fixes this.

    But then we are assuming the voice coils in the same plane vertically, but due to horn lengths they often are not.

    Newer active xovers, even the el cheapo Behringer, have phase reverse switches, and delay to compensate for coils not aligned.

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    For instance, sound travels 1100 feet per second, or for Rightpondians 340.29 m / s. So if the HF driver is on a longer horn, say a 203 multicell, it will not be "time aligned" with a woofer on the shorter A7 mid bass horn. A very slight delay to the woofer signal fixes this.
    HTH, trying to give a somewhat complete answer but fear may be over complicating things...
    Your neighbors called. They like your music.

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    Re: A Little Experiment

    Thanks, Really appreciate the explanation.

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